[Cryptech Tech] Fast(er) warm up of the TRNG.

Joachim Strömbergson joachim at secworks.se
Fri Mar 14 09:31:42 UTC 2014


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Aloha!

Leif Johansson wrote:
> The "only noisy diode good" argument is looking more and more
> sensible to me from a pure simple-design standpoint... but then again
> I'm not an electronics designer so take this with a fist-full of salt
> :-)

Why?

If we look at the paper analyzing the Fortuna RNG they don't argue
against having multiple entropy sources. And Fortuna (and Yarrow) as
well as TRNGs in modern OS:es all support multiple sources. People don't
trust a single source since it provides a single point of attack. And
what Yarrow and Fortuna does is to make it hard for an attacker that
messes with one source to affect the seed values created. The paper by
Adi Shamir et al shows that this method works. That is good.

And even if we only have one source (which we will support if we do what
we said on the meeting) we will still have a collector and mixer. If not
I'm fairly certain that we will have a hard time getting users to trust
the design. I think that it is very important that we try to follow the
general structure of what is considered to be good, modern TRNG designs.
What dol@ proposed on the meeting does not even come close to match that.

- -- 
Med vänlig hälsning, Yours

Joachim Strömbergson - Alltid i harmonisk svängning.
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 Joachim Strömbergson          Secworks AB          joachim at secworks.se
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